From wetfood@micapeak.com Mon Jul 27 15:41:47 1998 Received: from alutia.micapeak.com (alutia.micapeak.com [199.79.239.92]) by shell9.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with ESMTP id PAA22906 for; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alutia.micapeak.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alutia.micapeak.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA05261; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:36:40 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:36:40 -0700 Message-Id: <35BCFC91.E2AA6934@sptddog.com> Errors-To: wetfood-owner@micapeak.com Reply-To: wetfood@micapeak.com Originator: wetfood@micapeak.com Sender: wetfood@micapeak.com Precedence: bulk From: Dave Uebele To: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum Subject: New toys, recipes? wetleather/wetfood party X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Ok, a couple of new toys that need some suggestions, testing, and use. A hand crank ice cream maker, 6 quart capacity. (Solstice present languishing, waiting for hot weather and able bodies). Assuming we get enough turnout at our August 8 (not Aug 1 as originally planned) party, we should have critical mass to make hand crank ice cream. I think I have a family recipe for ice cream floating around since home made ice cream was popular at family parties. If you have a favorite ice cream recipe, show up and sponsor it. I think the family recipe was: cup of whipping cream quart of half and half sugar (probably about 3/4 cup) 2 eggs, raw (last couple of times I went with egg beaters, pasteurized beaten egg) vanilla, or other flavorings to suit milk to 2/3 line on churn. Add rock salt, and ice to turn crank until all who care agree its too hard to turn anymore, devour. Smoker. (Zoli'd b-day present, per her request). We decided to go lazy and get a combo propane smoker and grill rather than having to tend a wood fire for the several hours of smoking. Hmm, smoked turkey, ham, sausage, or ? We have a friend who has been having great luck with smoking turkeys, so we may get some tips there. Pasta. Picked up "The Pasta Bible" We'll probably get inspired to get an Atlas pasta roller at some point. We tried using the pasta extruder attachment on the kitchenaid and were so disgusted that we didn't try it again. Any suggestions for pasta equipment to find or avoid? dave -- Dave Uebele (daveu@sptddog.com) Spotted Dog Systems http://sptddog.com/daveu.html From wetfood@micapeak.com Mon Jul 27 16:07:39 1998 Received: from alutia.micapeak.com (alutia.micapeak.com [199.79.239.92]) by shell9.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with ESMTP id QAA05740 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alutia.micapeak.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alutia.micapeak.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAB05653; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:58:27 -0700 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:58:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199807272251.AA08407@mallard> Errors-To: wetfood-owner@micapeak.com Reply-To: wetfood@micapeak.com Originator: wetfood@micapeak.com Sender: wetfood@micapeak.com Precedence: bulk From: martin@plaza.ds.adp.com To: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum Subject: Re: New toys, recipes? wetleather/wetfood party X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum Content-Type: text Status: RO > Assuming we get enough turnout at our August 8 (not Aug 1 as originally > planned) party, we should have critical > mass to make hand crank ice cream. mmmmmmmm. > Smoker. (Zoli'd b-day present, per her request). We decided > to go lazy and get a combo propane smoker and grill rather > than having to tend a wood fire for the several hours of smoking. > Hmm, smoked turkey, ham, sausage, or ? Yes please. > Pasta. Picked up "The Pasta Bible" > We'll probably get inspired to get an Atlas pasta roller > at some point. One hand cranks, one hand feeds, one hand gently catches the outgoing pasta, so it's pretty much a two-person operation, depending on number of hands per person. One hand can alternate between feed and catch, but the pasta has to be perfect not to stick and wrinkle as it piles. > We tried using the pasta extruder attachment > on the kitchenaid and were so disgusted that we didn't try > it again. The dough has to be _exactly_ right for the Kitchenaid to work. IIRC, Carol called them up and gave them hell, and they gave her a recipe that worked. I dunno if we still have the recipe anywhere, we bought one of those mix-and-extrude systems, and stopped using the Kitchenaid. Mmmmm, pasta. I haven't made weird pastas for _ages_. Martin Martin Golding | Real Men make hollandaise DoD #236 | over medium heat. martin@plaza.ds.adp.com Portland, OR From wetfood@micapeak.com Tue Jul 28 09:20:09 1998 Received: from alutia.micapeak.com (alutia.micapeak.com [199.79.239.92]) by shell9.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with ESMTP id JAA08645 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alutia.micapeak.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alutia.micapeak.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA25248; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:08:48 -0700 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:08:48 -0700 Message-Id: <35BDF3DE.E5B7376D@sptddog.com> Errors-To: wetfood-owner@micapeak.com Reply-To: wetfood@micapeak.com Originator: wetfood@micapeak.com Sender: wetfood@micapeak.com Precedence: bulk From: Dave Uebele To: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum Subject: Re: New toys, recipes? wetleather/wetfood party X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO Lee Hart wrote: I like the idea of herbs/shrooms under the skin. I'm not partial to eating bird skin, but so often if the bird is cooked skin on, (to keep it from drying out), then all the flavoring agents are in the skin and not the meat. I'd mostly heard about using the baster w/ needle for injecting brine to speed up the brining process. Interesting idea, injecting wine. For a chicken and turkey, perhaps a reasonable white, or some sherry? Yes, this smoker has the water bowl. > I also recommend lump charcoal. After a few times using this you'll > probably stop using briquettes. Less stuff left over, easier to light, > longer lasting, better flavor. Well, something of a non issue. this is a propane powered smoker/grill, not charcoal. So, flavor will have to come from addition wood chips added. thanks dave -- Dave Uebele (daveu@sptddog.com) Spotted Dog Systems http://sptddog.com/daveu.html From wetfood@micapeak.com Sun Nov 22 14:12:30 1998 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (root@moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by shell9.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) with ESMTP id OAA15180 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:12:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (listproc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA21272; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:02:50 -0800 Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 14:02:50 -0800 Message-Id: <922778cc.36588764@aol.com> Errors-To: wetfood-owner@micapeak.com Reply-To: wetfood@micapeak.com Originator: wetfood@micapeak.com Sender: wetfood@micapeak.com Precedence: bulk From: Fogobum@aol.com To: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum Subject: If you boil it... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: RO The ham is on the fire (15 lb Smithfield sugar cured, 26.95 from the Vancouver Wal Mart), so if anybody has wild suggestions, country cured ham leftovers, several pounds, for the use of, now would be a very good time to post them. There's always ham and cranberry Cumberland sauce over mustard pasta but that's been done to death, Martin Real Men make hollandiase over medium heat. From wetfood@micapeak.com Thu Mar 4 10:00:35 1999 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (root@moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by shell9.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) with ESMTP id JAA07620 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:59:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (listproc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA19247; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:59:50 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 09:59:50 -0800 Message-Id: <43190586F90AD211899D00A0C9C85DBBF0B700@excuswa001.OLSY-NA.com> Errors-To: wetfood-owner@micapeak.com Reply-To: wetfood@micapeak.com Originator: wetfood@micapeak.com Sender: wetfood@micapeak.com Precedence: bulk From: "Paukstis, Carl" To: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum Subject: What I Ate In Italy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Status: RO Several people asked, so I kept notes: All unmentioned breakfasts were Novotel Bologna "free" Continental buffet. Better than most US, but not dramatically different except for the inclusion of sliced cheese and Salami and Mortadella ("baloney"). Assume wine is consumed with every meal. So far as I know, they were all local Bologna regional wines; all red. Monday: Breakfast: c/o United Airlines. Lunch: Tortellini Ragu at the hotel restaurant in Bologna. Dinner: Assorted appetizers including fresh anchovies in oil with bread, and Italian Pizzza. Cavatielli - small thumbnail-sized folded-over pasta with tomato/beef sauce. Some sort of chocolate layer cake with cream filling. Tuesday: Lunch at a restaurant nearby the office. Narrow long noodles with beef(Tagliatelle with Ragu), then a grilled thin beef(?) fillet (Foglia Morta), covered with some (raw) narrow green leaves (Rucola) and little red peppercorns. Dinner at the hotel. Veal chop alla crema. Wednesday: Lunch: Mozzarella di Bufala, Tortellacci Ricotta con Fungi Porcini (big tortellini stuffed with cheese, with mushrooms), Straccetti alla Contadina (translates as Little Rags of the Farmers) sort of a beef stew with almost no liquid and not too many carrots, potatoes, pickles? all sliced very thin - flavored with maybe wine and certainly Basalmic vinegar. Dinner (large group) at Cantina Bentivoglio Enoteca Con Cucina Ristorante (An "Osteria" or tavern; more of a "supper club" kind of thing, with live jazz) See http;//www.affari.com/bentivoglio Antipasto Bentvoglio: Black Olives; Partia Flakes; Mortadella (Baloney); Pizza; Lard from Arnad (Ivrea dish; paper-thin lard on hard bread) Scamorza Fusa Con Speck E Fungi (Potted scamorza cheese with smoked ham and mushrooms) Panna Cotta (Milked cream and pudding Flan with Caramel sauce - i.e. Cantucci E Vin Santo (Tuscany traditional hard almond biscuits, dipped in sweet wine) Thursday: Lunch: at a freeway plaza restaurant between Bologna and Milan. Red lettuce-like stuff (rediccio?) and green sorta-lettuce-like stuff (Rucola?) and imitation crab and green olives and mozzarella balls, with oil and vinegar; Coke. About $6 (lit. 10.000) and not bad at all. Freeway rest stops are much nicer here... DINNER: I HAVEN'T EATEN YET; THE HOTEL RESTAURANT WASN'T OPEN AT 6:00. THIS MOTEL IS IN A VERY SMALL VILLAGE RIGHT BY THE AIRPORT; THERE'S ONE dingy little restaurant downtown but we decided against it. Adventure awaits. -- Carl Paukstis Director, Banking Solutions Wang Global Spokane, Washington, USA carl.paukstis@wang.com voice: (509) 927-5439 0700-1600 PDT M-F FAX: (509) 927-7390 24 hrs. From wetleather@micapeak.com Mon Mar 15 16:38:59 1999 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (root@moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by shell9.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) with ESMTP id QAA25542 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (listproc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA10816; Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:37:13 -0800 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 16:37:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199903160008.AA16922@mallard> Errors-To: wetleather-owner@micapeak.com Reply-To: wetleather@micapeak.com Originator: wetleather@micapeak.com Sender: wetleather@micapeak.com Precedence: bulk From: martin@plaza.ds.adp.com To: Northwest Bikers Social Mailing List Subject: Re: Advertising Copy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Northwest Bikers Social Mailing List Content-Type: text Status: RO I said: "Drink Fresh Beer at the Ostrich and One Eyed Bull" (an approximately 3000 yo ad found in Dilmun) Frank wonders: > > Where, pray, is Dilmun? It is, I suppose, located somewhere that > > would have been home to the Ostrich. Leigh Ann pegs it: > I'm going to let Martin cover this. In brief: it's in Mesopotamia somewhere, > I forget precisely. Somewhere down the Arabian Gulf. Bahrain was a major burial site, but they're beginning to suspect that the center of the civilization was on the Arabian peninsula. > > Was this a lager or an ale? And pegs it again: > Probably an ale. It probably started out life as sprouted barley made into > cakes and twice-baked, mashed with dates, fermented with wild yeasts, and > drunk just after it got sparkling, almost certainly through straws to filter > out the stuff still in it. It's a silver casting of a business seal from the Royal Museum at Aarhaus. Two people drinking from straws out of an amphora, crossed barleys above so you know they're not having whatever passed for RC back then, and a bull's head and ostrich above that. The bull probably wasn't one-eyed originally. My mom worked closely with the archeologists that pretty much opened up the peninsula. "Is he... is he... dead?" (Mark Twain on historic Italian heroes), Martin Martin Golding | Press any key > DoD #236 BMWMOA #55952 SMTC #2 | Release to erase disk > martin@plaza.ds.adp.com Portland, OR From wetfood@micapeak.com Thu May 13 09:49:59 1999 Received: from moto.micapeak.com (root@moto.micapeak.com [207.53.128.12]) by shell9.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) with ESMTP id JAA05625 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 09:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moto.micapeak.com (listproc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moto.micapeak.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA06582; Thu, 13 May 1999 09:47:07 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 09:47:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199905131640.AA04552@mallard> Errors-To: wetfood-owner@micapeak.com Reply-To: wetfood@micapeak.com Originator: wetfood@micapeak.com Sender: wetfood@micapeak.com Precedence: bulk From: martin@plaza.ds.adp.com To: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum Subject: Re: indian hot? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Pacific NW Motorcycle Food Forum Content-Type: text Status: RO > So I'm sitting here eating a curry, but it isn't hot enough. What do you > use to heat up Indian food? Without going into the vast semantic complications surrounding the word curry, and presuming (without evidence) that you didn't start by toasting a panful of spices and wet-grinding them on whatever-it-is that one calls the Indian version of a metate, you use hotter curry powder. "Big help", you think? NOT SO! www.penzeys.com, order a pound of their vindaloo while you wait for their catalog (I don't think they have online ordering yet, but they have a phone). I've made Authentic Vindaloo from a genuine English university recipe, starting all the way back with the toasting and grinding and sifting, and while it was _identifiably_ better than Penzeys, it wasn't _significantly_ better, certainly not better enough to be worth all the effort. (A certain sort of aesthetic might call for doing that once in a while anyway, if I had one of the Indian grindstones and knew how to use it.) Beyond that, except that whatever curry powder you used may not be properly balanced for heat (the milder curries tend to use more cloves and cinnamon), cayenne and other hot peppers are Authentic. When you get your vindaloo: Ignore the instructions on the bag except for spice-to-meat ratio. Straight Penzeys vindaloo is about one-lager, add the suggested amount of cayenne for a truly lager resistant curry. Combine an appropriate measure of spice with enough vinegar to make a smooth paste (I occasionally add a bit of wine or substitute yogurt), mix with your cubed meat, let marry for a while (not more than an hour or so if you did the yogurt thing and your meat is chicken, as long as overnight with vinegar and good chewy beef). In the meantime, cube up a potato or so and chop fine an onion per person (anything from paperthin slices to Cuisinart pulp will work). I _think_ 'vindaloo' is very approximately 'hindi potatoes', so while the dish works without the potatoes, it isn't Authentic. Fry the onion in copious amounts of real ghee (Authentic) or oil (healthy and easy to get) until lightly browned and fairly dry. Add meat and fry until dry and sizzling (if you don't hear a crackling sizzle, the spices will be underdone and taste muddy). Add water to make a thick sauce, cover and simmer until potatoes are done and meat is tender (from 20-30 minutes for chicken, an hour or so for the chewy beef). Serve with rice and many 'boys': chutneys, Indian "pickles" (find Patak's brand, and buy one of everything), chopped raisins, chopped peanuts, and sliced bananas. Our favorite sambal is sliced onions (about 1/4") tossed with lemon or lime juice, chile powder and salt to taste, let marinate an hour. A bowl of grated or chopped cucumbers in yogurt helps soothe the savaged palate. > and recommendations on good Indian cookbooks are cheerfully accepted Carol? Dig out the ISBN for the big green panAsian cookbook, and get the name of the lady that does the Indian series? I've been craving curries lately. It's probably that bag of cumin in the kitchen, Martin Martin Golding | You have a microwave. DoD #236 BMWMOA #55952 SMTC #2 | Why are you cooking? martin@plaza.ds.adp.com Portland, OR